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After 19 years and four kids together, I'm on the verge of seeing my wife spend the night with her new additional partner. The first signs of my wife's poly tendencies reached me nine years ago and this has been a long hard journey for me. Tomorrow when we leave for work, I won't see her till Saturday afternoon, at which time, another man will have been where only I have been for 19 years. Any support you might offer me in the next 48 hours would be appreciated.
Ian.
Ian.
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Re: On the verge.
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 9:44 AMWow, overnighting the first time? Have you met this fella?
Well, it's my experience that no one can ruin a vagina any differently than I could, so I had to just tell myself this was all in my head. Took a couple of times to struggle through it, but getting a hobby helped me a lot.
See, until I found a hobby, when she went out, i stayed at home chafed I WASN'T going out.
That was counterproductive to my mental health.
So, I started tracking down obscure bands showing in town and going to their shows.
Eventually, I looked FORWARD to her going out, so I could go have fun.
Things got MUCH better after that.
You'll do fine as long as you don't freak out.
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Re: On the verge.
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 11:19 AMMy wife just got a new partner, the first in a year or two, whom she slept with for the first time last week. Beyond dealing with some minor jealousy, I've been pretty stoked on the whole thing. She's been excited and happy about it and it's great to see her light up like that, it definitely has put a boost into our own sex life, I've met and like the dude and trust him and his intentions, and a new partner always gets us talking a bunch. For us, being poly has made our relationship much more strong, and we talk a lot more about things we never talked about when we were monogamous. I hope the same for you! And when it gets down to facing jealousy issues when you're partner is out with someone else, distraction can help. For me going out with friends and being social rather than sitting around alone at home was the key to dealing with jealousy issues at first. Good luck, most of us have been there before, and most of us are happy it's a path we went down. -
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Re: On the verge.
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 11:46 AMActually in the interest of complete disclosure I have to say my interest in a polymarriage concept is for freindship rather than sex.......but as a person who has pretty much done everything to have every kind of sex in great quantities I can assure you that the greatest thrill of all, if you can master your normal insecurities and feelings of jealousy........is having your wife spend a loving hot sexual night with another man. It is something you can share with her and will give you ten times the pleasure it gives her.....to willingly share the forbidden fruit with another is the most delicious taboo that you can enjoy.....and surprise.....she will still have all the feelings for you she ever had.
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Re: On the verge.
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 4:30 PMOn a related tangent: I actually find myself in a place where I feel a little anxious because one of my partners ISN'T having sex with their newest connection yet. It's sort of a desire to have the build-up piece relax and settle into finding out what that connection might look like, once all the pieces are in play, so to speak. It sounds REALLY silly when you say it out loud though: "Could you please have sex with her so _I_ can feel more relaxed?" I snicker in my own general direction. -
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Re: On the verge.
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 8:33 AMLOL Gina! Now isn't that just the funniest thing.
But what a great place to be, in so many ways. :-)
Ian -- I think if I could give you any support in this it is to express something similar to what Gina's expressed here. In my case, I'm the third but I've lived with my partner and her husband for 2+ years now. If they aren't having sex, I'm usually not as relaxed, because I know they may be struggling with something. That affect their happiness and, thus, mine.
I sent them off this week on a week-long trip and I made sure that K had her favourite hazelnut-chocolate play stuff with her. They don't put it on bread. ;-)
Keep these two thoughts in mind:
If your partner is happy you are more likely to feel happy and secure.
You can, like Gina and I, find the right frame of mind to not only tolerate, not only be okay with, but to be totally supportive of her relationship with the other guy.
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Re: On the verge.
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 2:43 PMMy advice for getting through the night is stay away from tequila and hide your cell phone from yourself. -
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Re: On the verge.
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 5:36 PMAgain, what Jezebel said!
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Re: On the verge.
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 10:51 PMWell, it's 1:05am here in the eastern time zone and I figure anything that was going to happen has probably happened by now. I'm not really sure how I feel right now. I would like to thank those of you who offered comment. This isn't the kind of thing I could talk to anyone else about since everyone we know is monogamous or pretending to be, some divorced, some not. I got this far by keeping two of my kids with me until 12:30pm. That way I had to be something like my normal self. Thank goodness it's not a school night.
I may not have dealt with my jealousy the right way but mentally I shut it in a dark cell within my mind with a heavy 3" thick oak door and cast-iron hardware. There were times today when I felt like it was clawing it's nails off on the inside of that door, going completely berserk to try and get out. All I had to do was keep a bit of pressure against the door. I know how it would completely fuck up my marriage if I let it. Sometime over the last couple of hours I must have accepted what is going on because there's no panicked feeling within me now. Just quiet. I'm either worn out or something has changed in me. I just hope it's all negative stuff that I've killed off. Good advice to keep away from Tequila and cell-phones. My cell-phone hasn't left me all day. Waiting for her call rather than bursting to intervene though. Only two drinks in the last few hours.
To answer Edward's early questions, it's the first time they've spent more than a couple of hours together in a place where they can be guaranteed privacy. I have met him and I'm afraid my biggest problem is that his goals do not involve being part of a polyamorous arrangement. She has explained her feelings to him but my gut feeling is that he feels he can convince her to be monogamous in time. She has had trouble accepting that she has very strong feelings for us both and would be extremely embarrassed at this stage if anyone found out about how she feels. She still wants to conform and cares about the opinions of almost everyone around us. I fear that he may just confuse her further. I have never seen her happier than when I have been accepting of sharing her. I was aggressive and angry at one point (but in control at all times) and our marriage was on the brink of collapse because of it. I decided at that point that, even though I think her choice is a poor one, I have to let her make it and be there to protect and comfort her if necessary. I have made a gesture of friendship to him as well and I can only hope that the weirdness of the arrangement for him will dissipate. I believe that he can either respect my position in her life and accept my offer of friendship or he can reject it and work towards displacing me from my marriage with all the perceived disrespect that I will infer from that course. Only a little research should be enough to make that course unthinkable. I am not the kind of person anyone should consciously become the enemy of lightly. Boy, it's so easy to head towards the darker paths of thought.
Anyway, thanks to all who have commented once again. I will follow-up when we are all existing in a sustainable polyamorous arrangement. Good luck to anyone else working through their first transition from monogamy. -
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Re: On the verge.
Sat, September 26, 2009 - 1:03 AM"I have met him and I'm afraid my biggest problem is that his goals do not involve being part of a polyamorous arrangement."
Yeah, sometimes people do that.
Either he's in sync with what she wants or he's not. If he is, then great, if he's not, then they're going to wind up with some drama between them.
But, y'know, it's up to them. My partners have had relationships before where things didn't work out, or where it felt like the new folks were trying to "win them over," and that crap just doesn't work for long. Either they get with the program, or they stomp off to better hunting grounds.
"I decided at that point that, even though I think her choice is a poor one, I have to let her make it and be there to protect and comfort her if necessary."
Yep. That's all part of wearing the Grownup Pants. Good job! -
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Re: On the verge.
Sat, September 26, 2009 - 2:42 PMYep. Go for it. What is the worst that could happen? You could discover... the truth? Enjoy.
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Re: On the verge.
Sun, September 27, 2009 - 6:55 PMYeah I am sure you didn't sleep the whole night.
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Re: On the verge.
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 2:33 PMSo a week and a half has passed and I thought I'd post an update. They did indeed consummate their relationship and although I have wakened frequently to that image in my head it is one that does not take long to dismiss. The bigger issue now is that her new partner is being completely hypocritical in my mind. I have reached out to him again because, frankly, I need the reassurance that he has good intentions towards our existing marriage. He may have been drinking at the time but I received an email reply that I can only describe as openly hostile. He does not want to have contact with me because that would move the situation from "tolerable towards normality". Which is exactly where I think we should be headed. He is happy to reap the benefits of the arrangement whilst denying his consent to it in principle. My wife has asked me to give him a chance because I have had so much longer to become accustomed to this type of arrangement and he is still very confused. I am offended at being merely tolerated and regarded as an obstacle when I am the pre-existing spouse and have felt myself slipping towards returning his hostile feelings. I am keenly aware of the dangers of imposing my perspective on my wife but last night I had to tell her that I did not see any possibility of this arrangement being sustainable. It seemed like she was reluctantly coming to the same conclusion and was actually planning to call the whole thing off but this morning she told me she didn't know what she was going to do. She is meeting him after work tonight. She also brought up the fact (again) that although our relationship is great now, it has been rocky for large parts of our marriage and I am realising that she has less faith in the long-term strength of our relationship than I should have supposed. She says she has never led him to believe that a monogamous relationship with him would be a possibility in the future but I think she may have expressed misgivings about our relationship to him and as I told her, a hint is as good as a promise to a man in love. She plans to make her feelings regarding her relationship crystal-clear to him tonight at which point he may walk away himself but I doubt it.
Is there any possibility of this arrangement still being salvageable? If it fails I suspect it will have been our first and last chance to adopt a polyamorous lifestyle which I feel is a great pity since she was genuinely happy at the prospect of having us both in her life. Not only that, but I am faced with the formidable task of resisting my hostile feelings towards him should things go wrong in our marriage now. This is such a clusterfuck (perhaps not considered a bad thing on this forum but you know what I mean).
This is all because the question "how do you feel about non-monogamous relationships?" was not asked before she first kissed him. It was a new concept to her and she failed to take key steps along the way. I am exasperated. -
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Re: On the verge.
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 4:02 PMYour marriage is not his responsibility. If she wants a relationship with you, then maintaining it is her deal, not his. She can't be manipulated in ways she doesn't want to be. If she's unclear on her desires, again, that's her deal. If you're unclear about what you need from her, it's your problem. That said, if you are uncomfortable with guys who won't have anything to do with you, then that's something she should take into consideration if she wants to keep you around.
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Re: On the verge.
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 5:03 PMThanks! I know what you're saying is true. It's so easy to see this other guy as someone who could quietly pick away at the seams of our marriage even though he has no intention of undermining it. I guess that it's just a matter of trust. Trusting him as well as her. I have to focus on the fact that all my negative feelings originate in my own insecurities. I have the ability to think these things through rationally but still have some of the alpha-male tendencies that make me aggressive and defensive when a threat is perceived, justifiably or not. This is so much harder than I could ever have imagined. It's no wonder that polyamorous relationships are a minority. This forum is indispensable for those in my position. Please keep the rationality flowing. -
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Re: On the verge.
Wed, October 7, 2009 - 9:56 AM<still have some of the alpha-male tendencies>
Yup. Don't forget that 99.9% of culture around us tell us that the right way to do a relationship is to lose interest in your partner, have an affair, and betray them. We're programmed to see others as a threat and we're programmed to assume that our partner has gone astray.
So you've got some heavy programming to overcome. The good news is that our brains are pretty agile things and given the chance, the awareness, and some patience, you can do it!
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Re: On the verge.
Sun, October 18, 2009 - 1:31 AMI really like what you said here. I wish there was more talk about this cultural programming. I don't think it can be discussed enough. I would love to see you do a nice, drawn-out post on this one.
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Re: On the verge.
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 6:04 PMMy partners have had partners I've never met, barely met, ones I've been friendly with, and ones that were good friends. However the other guy and I get along really has nothing to do with my relationship with my partner (except when they are having problems and I'm a sympathetic ear). Their relationship is their relationship, our relationship is ours, sure it would be great if everyone was friends, but it often just doesn't pan out that way. If you look back in the threads you'll see this sorta situation happens fairly often, especially when they are dating someone not super comfy with poly relationships. Some people new to the idea find it much easier to have no contact, so they don't have to think about the other partner. Just like some people have don't ask don't tell relationships to try to limit jealousy. I think that's pretty much what he told you, he's having a hard enough time thinking about this woman he has the hots for being married and in a relationship with someone else, so it would be easier for him to not have a lot of contact with you. Not that weird really.
I think you're getting hung up on his intentions, ultimately they shouldn't matter if you trust your wife. What you should focus on is her intentions with you and your relationship. If you love and trust your wife, ask for the reassurance you need that the primary relationship is solid. Then it doesn't really matter if it works out for her with the guy or not, that's her relationship to worry about, not yours. It's definitely hard the first time, but I think the root of your problems are you and your relationship with your wife, rather than the other guy. -
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Re: On the verge.
Wed, October 7, 2009 - 12:08 AM"Their relationship is their relationship, our relationship is ours, sure it would be great if everyone was friends, but it often just doesn't pan out that way."
I'll second that.
Sometimes everybody finds a way to get along, and sometimes they don't. Sometimes in the secret places, people make shit up.
New people make at least 2^n mistakes per relationships, where n is the number of people involved. -
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Re: On the verge.
Wed, October 7, 2009 - 5:16 AMLots more good advice and guess what, it looks like we might actually make this work. As of last night, everyone is willing to help each other get to the place they have to be and I, for one, have recognised some of my insecurities and am working to control them. Most, if not all, of my problems are in my own head, as I'm sure most of you thought. Thanks for "the straight goods" when objectivity has not been within my grasp. -
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Re: On the verge.
Thu, October 8, 2009 - 4:30 PMIan, it sounds like you've been open and honest (particularly with yourself, which can be exceptionally difficult) and that it's paying off. Best of luck to you all!
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