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I have met many poly people the past couple year and there are a couple of patterns I am starting to recognize:
1) When a monogamous couple transitions to poly, it is usually the wife who is drives it, sometimes even demands it as an ultimatum -- and usually it is the woman who takes on a new lover first. Men have told me this transition is very hard on them... they will either stick it out or leave depending on how much they love their wife, and their own ability to fine additional mates. Most people I know outside of poly think it's the husband that pushes this idea of poly because he just wants’ to get his rocks off. They believe poly is mostly about sex. On the contrary poly is very much about "sex and relationships", not just “sex”, which is more in line with how women tick. Maybe that explains why.
2) I see that women in general tend to be more monogamous than men (with men). They stick with their man... until he pisses her off enough to leave him, then she’ll dump him for another. I have found in my experience that most women find the idea of having more than one man as a lover is absolutely disgusting. However there are a significant number of poly women who prefer this arrangement. In my experience I have noticed a number of these women that I know also identify them as bipolar. My wife too is bipolar and very interested in this lifestyle. I am wondering if there is a relationship between polygamous needs and bipolar. Don’t take this the wrong way. I am not trying to make the point that this is a disease that needs to be treated, in fact these women I know ARE treated bipolar, but it doesn’t seem to change their preference for poly. The point I am making is if this is sort of like why gay people are gay and straight people are straight. If it is something you are born with… my wife seems to be making this argument. I am having difficulty opposing it.
Agree or disagree... just some thoughts based on my experiences.
1) When a monogamous couple transitions to poly, it is usually the wife who is drives it, sometimes even demands it as an ultimatum -- and usually it is the woman who takes on a new lover first. Men have told me this transition is very hard on them... they will either stick it out or leave depending on how much they love their wife, and their own ability to fine additional mates. Most people I know outside of poly think it's the husband that pushes this idea of poly because he just wants’ to get his rocks off. They believe poly is mostly about sex. On the contrary poly is very much about "sex and relationships", not just “sex”, which is more in line with how women tick. Maybe that explains why.
2) I see that women in general tend to be more monogamous than men (with men). They stick with their man... until he pisses her off enough to leave him, then she’ll dump him for another. I have found in my experience that most women find the idea of having more than one man as a lover is absolutely disgusting. However there are a significant number of poly women who prefer this arrangement. In my experience I have noticed a number of these women that I know also identify them as bipolar. My wife too is bipolar and very interested in this lifestyle. I am wondering if there is a relationship between polygamous needs and bipolar. Don’t take this the wrong way. I am not trying to make the point that this is a disease that needs to be treated, in fact these women I know ARE treated bipolar, but it doesn’t seem to change their preference for poly. The point I am making is if this is sort of like why gay people are gay and straight people are straight. If it is something you are born with… my wife seems to be making this argument. I am having difficulty opposing it.
Agree or disagree... just some thoughts based on my experiences.
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Re: Patterns I see in the poly community.
Sun, October 11, 2009 - 4:27 PM"I have found in my experience that most women find the idea of having more than one man as a lover is absolutely disgusting."
Naw. I know plenty of women who have more than one lover.
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Re: Patterns I see in the poly community.
Sun, October 11, 2009 - 4:46 PMYes maybe it has much to do with the type of people we hang out with. I have talked to women outside of the poly community about the poly lifestyle. In my experience a lot of these women wouldn't have a problem playing with a girl... but if asked about having more than one male lover the immediate response is "gross!". Protected sex with both partners doesn't seem to change their opinion either.
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Re: Patterns I see in the poly community.
Mon, October 12, 2009 - 6:33 AMBeing poly is most definately something you are born being. Either you are or your are not. When trying to explain this to people unfamilliar with the poly lifestyle I equate it to an alignment chart from D&D (yes I can be a bit of a nerd some times) where instead of GvE and OvCh with neutral inbetween it is Gay-Bi-Straight on one axis and Monogomus-Polyfidelitous-Polyamorous on the other axis. Figuring out just one of those axis is not enough to be truly happy, and I see this all the time with gays, they are frustrated and sometimes even driven to the point of "relationship hopping" because although they have come to terms with being gay they may not have come to terms with being poly.
This also happens quite often with the straight community. If you have a friend that is constantly breaking up with their significant other only to find another within a few days/weeks and each time they break up it is over reasonings that seem as though they could have been worked out easily had they been willing to take the time, then you may want to sit them down and talk to them about the poly life style and what it could mean to them. Hell this was how I found out I was poly!
The point is that you really are born into this, it is hard wired into your contiousness and you cannot change it any more than you could change whether you breathe air or water, either you belong on dry land or immersed in the deep oceans of poly relationships. I hope this helps some, it took me a very long time to come to terms with these facts having been very main stream in my thinking reguarding relationships before I figured out my true nature.
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Re: Patterns I see in the poly community.
Mon, October 12, 2009 - 11:32 AM"When a monogamous couple transitions to poly, it is usually the wife who is drives it"
I have a hard time believing this. It was sorta the opposite with my wife and I, I suggested it first. But more importantly, while one person may start the conversation, for it to work there really has to be a lot of talking and mutual agreement. The times I've seen one partner in a monogamous relationship really driving and pushing for an open relationship with the other resisting it, it generally doesn't work out.
"in general tend to be more monogamous than men"
I'm not sure about this one either, I know a lot of monogamous men and a lot of non-monogamous women. And on the whole bipolar thing, I think that's a stretch too, all the bipolar women I know are monogamous.
Why the need to see trends? Does that somehow help you understand poly more or justify the way things are working out for you? I think for a lot of us, we were socialized to be monogamous and for one reason or another, it never seemed right or worked out for us very well. I'm not sure how we got here is all that important. -
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Re: Patterns I see in the poly community.
Mon, October 12, 2009 - 6:14 PMI should probably watch my grammar.
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Re: Patterns I see in the poly community.
Mon, October 12, 2009 - 7:03 PM"Why the need to see trends? Does that somehow help you understand poly more or justify the way things are working out for you? "
I like to understand patterns and why they exist on a macro level. A natural phenomenon worthy of study. I certainly haven't done a scientific study on the subject so I can't say my perception is fair... just patterns in my own experience that have made me curious. The most distinct pattern I have seen is that women seem to drive this lifestyle... I mean look at the poly books? All the ones I’ve read were written by women. Why is this? It's takes less time to have sex than it does to maintain emotional bonds. In our modern society it seems people are so busy they have difficulty maintaining these bonds. It is difficult to sync up and do things together. Women especially I think have a hard time in this environment, wanting more intimate interactions with their spouse but don't get enough of it because he is too involved in other things that demand his attention. Divorce is messy... Is poly that compromise? I ask these questions because I find this lifestyle becoming more and more popular. It seems to be growing. Maybe there are two types of people who do this... The ones that do this out of convenience and others that do it out of preference. I am still trying to figure out my situation. -
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Re: Patterns I see in the poly community.
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 1:43 AM"I like to understand patterns and why they exist on a macro level. "
I think the key is to be quite sure they're genuine patterns in the first place. I think you may be working with a bit of confirmation bias. -
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Re: Patterns I see in the poly community.
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 1:08 PMBias is never absent in a person’s perception of reality. My observations are susceptible to a great degree of bias because my observations are not based on controlled studies... but it does make for interesting conversation. I was bored! I felt like I had to write about something. :)
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Re: Patterns I see in the poly community.
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 8:32 AMWithout a scientific study -- ask your question, state your hypothesis, design experiments, have control groups -- it is simply an observation.
Here's my theory: Monogamy is a couple that has made a commitment to each other to be exclusive. Poly is everything else. That means that for every pattern you might observe, there's someone out there disproving it. -
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Re: Patterns I see in the poly community.
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 9:30 PM"Monogamy is a couple that has made a commitment to each other to be exclusive. Poly is everything else."
Except that multiple partners is perfectly acceptable in relationships labeled "monogamous," it's just that the restrictions are tighter.
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