"Please stay good, Sam!"

topic posted Mon, September 28, 2009 - 6:32 PM by  Edward
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Speaking of what to do when faced with the choice of good or evil...

So, let's say you and your partners are all fine and dandy. Everyone's happy.

Then someone else gets added to the mix. By and large, they seem okay, and of course, as with all new people, it's just going to take some time before you can learn what THEIR nuttiness is.

So, some time goes on, integration is fairly decent, and then something happens. no big thing, but for some reason, the relatively new person and some other partner are at odds. Kinda to the point where it seems as if both of them are acting a wee bit crazy.

What do you do? How do you handle that? What if now at this point, someone says "Yeah, i thought I liked that person, but now they suck. Dump 'em."

If you don't dump 'em, are you in dutch with your partners, or is is a Serious Firing Offense?

Discuss!
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  • Re: "Please stay good, Sam!"

    Tue, September 29, 2009 - 6:17 AM
    So, do you mean that all these partners are involved with each other intimately, or that only one of them is? Either way, thorny problem, indeed. Patience to see what happens next is needed; sometimes just waiting and watching partner's drama unfold can help them come to their senses (since they don't feel so much pressure to act any way other than they normally would). Expressing concern over the situation usually works out well for me, but sometimes a bit more is required to get the trouble out of my face, such as saying "Fuck this shit; get your priorities together."
    Really, it's all about reactions. Just because one person does something bone-headed doesn't mean another has to respond by acting nutty, too. Cool-headedness goes a long way, and often a simple statement showing them that their behavior toward each other is less than mature can make all the difference. I've seen marriages break up over this stuff, so anyone in a situation where partners don't get along should tread lightly.
    Unless I totally misunderstood the situation...
    • Re: "Please stay good, Sam!"

      Tue, September 29, 2009 - 8:26 AM
      I'm with Teresa.

      Talk about it in circle with everyone.
      Show concern.
      Have patience.
      Allow yourself and others to screw up sometimes!
      No one really means it, they just have "stuff" to work out.

      Hugs,
      Rig Daddy
      • Re: "Please stay good, Sam!"

        Tue, September 29, 2009 - 11:20 AM
        "Have patience."

        Yep -- this is usually the best kind of thing I can suggest to anyone having trouble with the actions of other parties. If it ain't spraying stuff ON you, then just take a chill pill.

        "No one really means it, they just have "stuff" to work out."

        And a fine combination with "have patience" this is!
    • Re: "Please stay good, Sam!"

      Tue, September 29, 2009 - 11:18 AM
      "Fuck this shit; get your priorities together."

      Ha-ha, funny!

      I've used a similar tactic at times, basically taking the tack: "Look, I already know what resolution *I* want, so I'm going to act accordingly -- feel free to figure out what resolution YOU want and act accordingly."

      Usually, once people are over their mad-on, addressing the desired resolution is a good thing, as long as I don't hammer it too much.

      "Really, it's all about reactions. Just because one person does something bone-headed doesn't mean another has to respond by acting nutty, too."

      Yeah, this has made sense to me ever since I hit the Age of Reason. I've never quite understood the whole Hatfield/McCoy bullshit.

      "I've seen marriages break up over this stuff, so anyone in a situation where partners don't get along should tread lightly. "

      I've also seen relationships dissolve over this kind of crap, too.
  • Re: "Please stay good, Sam!"

    Tue, September 29, 2009 - 2:49 PM
    I would solicit specific concerns and objections and take them into account, but I don't issue vetoes and I've never been subjected to one. There might be ways to reduce their impact on each other short of pretending the other doesn't exist. Don't force them to get together after a few good-faith efforts to connect prove they're oil and water. Talking everything out in a big huggy circle just isn't going to happen for some people, at best it's only going to produce insincere short-term healing over of abscesses.

    I have told a partner that I just flat out could not be friends with their other lover and not to pressure me to have any contact with that person - no more than is strictly necessary. I feel some guilt over that but efforts to establish an active friendship (or even socialize cordially) were backfiring nastily, and bringing out the worst in me. It's a liveable compromise for now.
    • Re: "Please stay good, Sam!"

      Tue, September 29, 2009 - 3:41 PM
      "I have told a partner that I just flat out could not be friends with their other lover and not to pressure me to have any contact with that person - no more than is strictly necessary."

      Interesting. Did (do?) you have much in the way of social contact with that other person? Were, for example, they over often?
      • Re: "Please stay good, Sam!"

        Tue, September 29, 2009 - 4:50 PM
        There used to be a lot of social contact, yes, sometimes to the exclusion of seeing other people (which I specifically pointed out I wanted to change). In early days, I invited the other person to hang out with just me once a week or so in order to get more easy with each other but that was not her preference, after some bickering/friction between us that actually occurred more in the presence of other people (sometimes over things that mystified me, sometimes not) and not when it was just us two.

        Fortunately it is practical for him to spend time with her over there, whether or not that is "fair," since there is more space, no other lover there and her roommate is frequently out of town and it is just about 2 miles from us. If she happens to drop him off here and to come into the house I may say hello or I may go hide in my room, depending on my mood. I haven't been accepting invitations to parties at their house for the past couple of those.
        • Re: "Please stay good, Sam!"

          Tue, September 29, 2009 - 5:58 PM
          I may be utterly mistaken for others, but, for me, not having much contact with a partner of my hubby's that I don't get along with, that ends up working out really well, until it suddenly doesn't; kinda like driving with your index finger all the time. I never quite know what is the right way to handle it, other than the stuff I said before, but I have experienced it a few times now, and I suppose I will again.

          I have one poly friend who couldn't stand this crazy girl her boyfriend was dating, and she would say, "Gee, have fun with that crazy bitch tonight!" and they were both ok with that; she figured that he would see how bad the relationship was eventually on his own, but wanted the right to express her opinion. Dunno how that would affect everyone, but he was tough enough to laugh off her statements and make his own way in relationships.
          • Re: "Please stay good, Sam!"

            Wed, September 30, 2009 - 3:41 PM
            well, we don't get along, and "small doses" is my rule, but I certainly don't make absolutely judgmental statements like that.

            I've already made my misgivings clear; they aren't about how she treats my partner, though.
          • Re: "Please stay good, Sam!"

            Sun, October 18, 2009 - 1:54 AM
            I like this--"Gee have fun with that crazy bitch tonight." While I want to be able to respect everyone my partners pair with, I am sure there are going to be times when I don't and shutting up doesn't necessarily seem terribly virtuous to me.
            • Re: "Please stay good, Sam!"

              Sun, October 18, 2009 - 8:23 AM
              If I'm feeling uncomfortable or unsupportive of my partner's choice in other relationships, I can usually trace it down to wanting to protect myself. It may feel as though I am trying to protect them from not-so-optimal connections, and the pain and struggling that they may be experiencing, but underneath is the desire to keep myself safe, my little world stable and happy.

              Here's the post I wrote about this recently: polytripod.blogspot.com/2009/1...se.html
              • Re: "Please stay good, Sam!"

                Tue, October 20, 2009 - 12:20 PM
                Thus far, I've been able to trace such discomfort back to a fear of a) waking up to a person I dislike in my house (bleah) or b) a desire to not have weirdness with our endearing ex-girlfriend. I have learned to be explicit about who I don't want to have breakfast with. Anyway, I see nothing wrong about not being supportive of particular choices. I can support a person without supporting their choices--the trick is to do that without being a controlling nag.
  • Re: "Please stay good, Sam!"

    Mon, October 19, 2009 - 1:05 PM
    I've been revisiting this topic lately.

    I think my head is wrapping around the idea of using analogies.

    If I had a partner with a horrible disease, that would suck, and I have to decide how much effort I want to put into helping with their comfort, but I don't HAVE the disease.

    If I have a partner that has an annoying habit, I have to decide to either put up with it, or try to change them. If they want to change anyway, great, but otherwise, it's just gonna hurt trying.

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