Do you treat your primary's differently than your secondary's? assuming that you spend similar amounts of time with both and love both.
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Fri, April 11, 2008 - 11:18 PMI treat everybody a little differently. I try to focus on the relationship I have with that specific individual and try to keep that connection as alive nd happy as possible.
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 7:47 AMI don't think I ever would spend similar amounts of time with both. I live with my primary and when I have a secondary I probably see them about once a week on average. In the situation you describe I'm not sure "primary" and "secondary" are the right words to use.
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 8:31 AMMy relationship with my secondary had almost nothing in common with the relationship I have with my primary. While there were some striking similarities in their personalities for the most part they were very different. The relationships served two distinct roles in my life and they each complimented the other very well. The sum of the parts was greater than the whole, if that makes sense.
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 5:40 PMI think this is an interesting question and I'm curious about what specifically you have in mind when you say "treat." I think we interact differently with everyone, because everyone's different, but the basic rules of respectful and civilized conduct should stay the same--
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 6:22 PMSure I would, as I don't treat each child the same, the same can be said for those in my relationship life. -
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 7:11 PM<<I don't think I ever would spend similar amounts of time with both. >>
Interesting comment, I wonder if everyone feels the same? If most live with their primaries? At present we all live apart but it would be far more likely that I would live with my secondary than primary at least due to geography. Though ideally I would like to live together with both partners but that is several years away at least. -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 9:48 PMMY husband works a lot of looooong hours. My boyfriend has kids the same ages as mine. We end up sending a lot of time together. If you factor in ONLY awake time, for us it's comparable some weeks.
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 9:40 PMI have a deep rooted trust and connection to my husband that comes of being in a relationship that has been nurtured and cultured through years. My boyfriends I love greatly, and trust. Though since we don't have those years together, it's different... but not different "bad." -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 12:28 AMRachel, I think the way you put it is how I would view things.
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:45 AMEach and every relationship I have and have had has been unique. After all, they are comprised of a union between two unique people. I tend to treat each partner a little differently based on how we relate to each other, what they and I both need, etc. It's thankfully always at least a little bit different with every relationship.
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 1:31 PMThe boundaries my married poly lover imposed on me, as a secondary, were so restrictive they suffocated our relationship.
For example, he refrained from allowing himself to develop or express profound feelings for me, and insisted that we could only have sex on his couch because his bed was reserved for him, his wife and the women they had threesomes with. I realized that he created such rules because the possibility of his wife sharing the same intimacy with her male lover made him jealous. His various rules really emphasized my secondary status, and I found the situation insulting, unfulfilling and somewhat degrading. Eventually, I broke up with him to preserve my self-respect. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 1:50 PMWow, that is restrictive. I admit my Hubby is and always will be my primary. But when I am with others, I must say it's never at my home as there are ALWAYS kids at home. But wow....... -
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put the labels away :)
Mon, April 14, 2008 - 2:06 PMI have to say that this is one thing I dislike about the public knowledge about being poly are the labels… primary secondary, ect… We all live together, I like to think we like to all be treated the same. To purposely put somebody below another by labeling them secondary is to me, belittling. Probably great in an S&M relationship, lol.
Sure there are differences but I based that on the personalities of the individuals. How they react and interact. How long we have been together, ect. But with equal respect and love.
But we are different then most Polys because we share a household… what is that called? -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 2:14 PMA very special home with lots of loving!
I couldn't imagine even just one more body in our home. I think it takes some very special and loving folks to all live together and raise a family together. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 2:48 PMwe have the 3 of us and 2 kids (8 and 10) and 5 dogs, 1 Parrot, 2 Tortuses... lol -
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Re: put the labels away :)
Mon, April 14, 2008 - 6:09 PMWow!! We have the two of us, 4 kids (ages 23-5,) two dogs and one bird. Do you see why I couldn't even imagine having just one more person living with us?? LOL
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 4:31 PMI am sorry you went through that, and glad that you were able to walk away.
Far too often I see rules and limitations imposed in relationships for just that reason- jealousy. I've recently decided that I will not participate in relationships were anyone involved need to put other partners in their place on a regular basis. Primary (I hate that term, but it's simple) relationships are important. Though if you have a strong and healthy primary relationship, you don't need to enforce a ton of rules on your other loves.
My new boyfriend can fuck in my bed, or his bed. We have overnights with each other there too. You know how much it's hurt our marriages or slighted out spouses? Not at all. In fact the love and the joy has bubbled over and helped us each regain some NRE with our spouses.... We do have to do laundry more often- not a big deal. ;-) -
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Love without rank
Mon, April 14, 2008 - 5:45 PMThat's great, Rachel. It's inspiring to hear about healthy relationships, like yours. -
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Re: Love without rank
Mon, April 14, 2008 - 6:58 PMThanks :D It was inspiring to read about other people who won't let people hurt and insult them to play the role of secondary.
I've had my relationship stinkers too. Like being with someone who's wife wouldn't let him call anyone else "girlfriend" because that was once her role. Or those who throw tantrums if secondaries see each other more than once a week. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 9:12 PMThat's probably more related to their being jerks. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 9:23 PMThat's really my gut feeling too.
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Re: Love without rank
Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:26 PMWhile the end result WAS that they were being jerks... the root of it, I tend to think, is that they were insecure and probably not as comfortable with the polyamorous dynamic as they wanted people to believe. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:39 PMthere's uncomfortable, and there's unwilling to get over it. my personal feeling is, if you need a whole bunch of rules, you're not exercising the very importaqnt skills of listening, expressing, awareness of your partner, and cooperation. but that's just me and i can't say i'm a complete and total expert in all those fields either. -
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Re: Love without rank
Mon, April 14, 2008 - 11:40 PMI would agree with you. I know for me once my husband and I got to a place where we were communicating well, and secure in our own relationship, *I* didn't need a lots of rule, and neither did he. However, I don't know how it works for most other people.
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Re: Love without rank
Tue, April 15, 2008 - 5:30 AM"While the end result WAS that they were being jerks... the root of it, I tend to think, is that they were insecure and probably not as comfortable with the polyamorous dynamic as they wanted people to believe."
Well, I am not really fond of those who represent themselves in a disingenuous way. Especially when the way they are will end up causing a lot of stress, arguments, strain on relationships, etc.
Now, one must keep in mind, there is no "right" and "wrong" in relationships. There are agreements. Sometimes the needs of one partner are more restrictive than the needs of another partner. There is nothing wrong with this, so long as the people in the relationship are aware of the agreements in the relationship and want a relationship where those agreements are in place. Sometimes you get the folks who don't want those agreements, but are more terrified of not being with someone than of those agreements.
And, just for the record, I agree. It is more than likely that the root of the restrictions were based in insecurity. This doesn't really mitigate things in my book though (I mean, I'm sure not going to crucify the person but I'm not going to spend my time and energy developing a romantic relationship with them), most people are insecure, one of those sad facts of life, we've just got to deal with it. And if you don't deal with your insecurity in a manner that's compatible with me then we really shouldn't be in a romantic relationship. Might not be so bad for a fling though, but again, I wouldn't be comfortable with that without full disclosure. (ie. "Hey, I can't imagine we have a long term romantic future, but I'm perfectly fine with a couple month fling." Or whatever.) -
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Re: Love without rank
Tue, April 15, 2008 - 9:23 AMI basically agree with you. I just like to remind myself, and others, that the root of a lot of these issues are insecurity, because it helps me be more compassionate and understanding. Generally a primary who is imposing all of these rules on a secondary isn't trying to be an evil, overbearing tyrant- but that's sure how it looks and feels. Generally that are insecure, overwhelmed and afraid. The end result, for me, is that I cannot and will not be in a relationship with someone who either has these issues themselves or their primary partner does, but it improves how I handle the situation.
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Re: Treatment: primary v secondary
Tue, April 15, 2008 - 12:20 PMI don't care for secondary or primary label views..
I just ended a poly and am beginning anew...
We all lived in separate homes and use to gather on weekends, till love came into play... funny you would think love would enhance, but the other female once she was aware that our male partner was also in love with me got incredible insecure... Prior to that she didn't want to spend time with him or I she was off on a date or doing her own thing... Once she saw our relationship she made demands and wanted to spend time with him... It got very hurtful unfortunately, I understood her feeling and gave them some room to reconnect.. Spent our first she had pushed him away broke up with is twice and he was so happy that she wanted him back that I was not going to get in the way.. Inadvertently pushed aside some times harshly, neither care to give support for this change, he needed to push me away to show his love or loyalty to her and it took its toll..
she also would set up weekends or communal time for us all to be together and then she wouldn't show, he couldn't just run off to her house I was there, so he began to resent not being able to go, she did this several times to us, resenting during my time, I became part of that resentment...
It was amazingly painful but I wouldn't trade the experience, I held his hand through hard times with her and never ever put her down or told him he should leave, I only show my support to him, shoulder to cry on and offer my ears to listen...
It was an AFOG, Another Fucking Opportunity for Growth...
I am now dating some one who awesome, has more experience, and understanding of poly relationship and its wonderful... We have our relationship and expanding it as happens, I like letting things organically evolve, no expectations... -
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Re: Treatment: primary v secondary
Tue, April 15, 2008 - 9:36 PMZemis and others, thanks for these comments. They offer very helpful and insightful perspectives.
It is a topic very personal to my situation at present, and the discussions are much appreciated.
I was talking to a friend, and shared my thoughts recently. With all the talk of labels.... I think the labels are just a tool to perhaps communicate to others the nature of the relationships or to logistically coordinate or establish schedules or precedence or whatever.... surface things, really. But to me these surface things are not set in stone or inflexible.
If you truly care for someone, you will ebb and flow these types of things... as long as the deep love is consistently demonstrated towards each other.
I told the friend that I believe the terms "primary" or "secondary" should not be so strict. If he loves two people equally deeply, then don't muddy it with these labels. Just love them. No matter how often you see one more than the other. No matter what types of activities or things you share with one vs. the other. No matter who came into the picture first.
I truly believe what is meant to stand the test of time, will do just that. All we can do is enjoy and nurture the relationships we treasure.
The end.
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Wed, April 16, 2008 - 3:19 PMThree of us live together....but we use no labels. Our guy introduces himself to people and then adds "and these are my wives." We are equals in the relationship.....with equal say in the household, etc. We treat each other with love and respect....bottom line. It is a wonderful life. -
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Thu, April 17, 2008 - 6:28 PMIsn't "wife" a label? ;)
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Re: Treatment: primary v secondary
Thu, May 1, 2008 - 5:37 PMAll of my mates, my partners, my lovers, and even my chew-toys get individual and unique treatment from me. Yes, some are necessarily more involved or less involved in my life due to time constraints or their expressed desire to not make our relationship too intimate, but the same amount of my heart is available to all of them and I put just as much work into an encounter with one of my chew-toys as I ever did with my mate/husband. When I am with a beloved I focus on them. -
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Re: Treatment: primary v secondary
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 5:15 AMWell said. :)
Though I do have to ask, how is it you know how much your chew-toys want you involved with their life? They've been a tight lipped bunch so far as I've observed. ;) -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 8:08 PMMy chew toys squeak ;D -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 9:04 AMHot damn! You're like the Dr Dolittle of squeak! -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 9:30 PMYou know how some people do what their rice-crispies tell them to? Yeah, I have deep meaningful conversations with my chewtoys. I must note, however, that I have some pretty damned advanced and complicated chewtoys. I mean, when you take a few millennia to perfect the design you tend to end up with a damned impressive product! -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 5:27 AM"You know how some people do what their rice-crispies tell them to? Yeah, I have deep meaningful conversations with my chewtoys."
Phew, for a second there I thought you were just letting the chewtoys be in the drivers seat and that was sorta frightening, millenium old chewtoys with a cult! But so long as you're conversing, rather than being directed (like the rice-crispers) then it's probably ok.
. . . hmmm. . . I wish someone had worked on teeth as much as chewtoys, that's a millenia old product that could use an overhaul. -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 5:29 AMOh, and to bring this back on topic, do you use the primary/secondary model with your chewtoys? -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:31 AMNope. They're all my favorite!
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:35 AMWell, teeth are part of my chew-toys' designs most of the time, but I don't believe they got added on until around the Paleozoic age so they might still need some fine tuning.
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Re: Treatment: primary v secondary
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 11:24 PMWhen I am with each person I'm involved with, no, I don't treat them differently. They're all precious to me. If I treat them differently, it's an understanding and decision we have come to according to where we fit in each others lives.
However, that being said, my 'primary/wife' (the wife label is difficult for me to use, especially since she's 'married/handfasted' to another as well) does have a significant more say in things I do, and I do spend more time with her since we live together and are all trying to have children soon. So that responsibility requires a shift in importance and attention.
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