my husband's first secondary

topic posted Sun, May 11, 2008 - 8:10 AM by  Jenni
Just recently, my husband told me that he has fallen in love with someone. I am a little confused by how quickly he could possibly feel that he loves this person, as he has only known her for roughly two weeks, and only spent two days with her. I think that it is emphatuation, but that is not what I want advise on. This is the first time that this has happened. Before, he was only having sex with other people that he did not have feelings for. Lately, I feel very neglected in our relationship with one another. We had not seen each other for a week basically, as he works constantly, and then had planned a date night the other night, and he stood me up. I later found out that eveing that he had been spending time with his new "love", and it made me extremely jealous and upset. I felt really second rate. My husband is so extemely busy that he barely has time for me and his child. I am having a hard time understanding how he believes that he is going to add a girlfriend to the picture with having so little time. I guess my question is this: How do you get over that initial jealousy and not feel insecure about yourself when your husband does not make time for you and your family but makes time for other people in his life? This is all very confusing to me and sometimes I don't know whether I am being taken advantage of or not. Please help!
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Jenni
Omaha
  • Re: my husband's first secondary

    Sun, May 11, 2008 - 8:16 AM
    Well, it's perfectly appropriate to say, "When I am stood up for a date, I often feel unvalued. I would like it if we make a date that it not be changed for less than an emergency, please. I love you and I do want to spend time with you."

    The phrasing is important. You're expressing how you feel. You're not accusing or blaming or playing "shoulds" and you're asking for what you need. You're neither being a doormat, nor are you making someone else responsible for your feelings. You're not dragging peripheral issues into it. (The ISSUE is that you want to spend time with your husband, right?).
    • Re: my husband's first secondary

      Sun, May 11, 2008 - 8:19 AM
      That should be "asking for what you WANT" not "asking for what you NEED".

      If you say "need" you start getting survival level emotiveness out of a situation that has nothing to do with whether or not you die.
      • Re: my husband's first secondary

        Sun, May 11, 2008 - 11:11 AM
        Yup, I agree with what Noel wrote. I suspect that your husband is confusing infatuation with love but, of course, I can only speculate on that. His treatment of you, though, is unacceptable. Your feelings are completely appropriate.

        I hope you'll keep us informed about how this goes for you. My thoughts are with you.
  • Re: my husband's first secondary

    Sun, May 11, 2008 - 8:57 PM
    This is really kind of disturbingly like something that happened to me a few months ago. My wife and I had done the group poly thing (triads/quads) but hadn't done primary/secondary dating before. I started dating a woman, my first secondary, and we did the "I love you" thing on the second date, and had only known each other for under two weeks (mostly talking online and by phone every day). It was all really crazy, and the stress put on my already hectic life by the additional relationship was unmanageable, and I had to break it off after only a month or so.

    I think the fact that this is his first secondary is significant. I've heard it said on dating advice shows that newly-divorced men, when jumping into the dating pool, tend to start treating their new dating partners with waaay too much intimacy waaay too quickly, and I would suggest the same thing happens also if you're poly and embarking on secondary relationships for the first time.

    I'm not sure what to suggest to you. What my wife did in our situation was to raise her concerns to me about the relationship and to ask for more of my time, and while that did sort of work, it didn't work very smoothly (and I broke up with the girl). I would caution you to be very careful about talking about this person, because you don't want to be saying bad things about her just because you're jealous, or even give the appearance that you are. If you feel she's bad for him, keep it under your hat; he won't hear you if you say it, except to think that you're blinded by jealousy and not seeing her for who she really is. I thought my wife's concerns about my girlfriend were motivated by jealousy at the time, but looking back on the relationship I feel her concerns were valid after all. But telling me those concerns didn't really accomplish anything except to cause more drama. So instead, I would say to do as Noel suggested and talk just about your own feelings and wants and try to keep the other woman out of it.

    One thing you might do is encourage your husband to talk to poly or poly-friendly folks about the situation. If your concerns about his inphatuation[sic] are valid, they'll see it too, and they won't be in a position to be blinded by jealousy, so he'll hear their advice.
    • Re: my husband's first secondary

      Mon, May 12, 2008 - 8:18 AM
      Wow! I am so glad that I joined this support group. You all have amazing things to say, and I appreciate the advice. I will definitely take your advice Noel. It is all very insightful. Things are going better after a very dramatic weekend. Last night, my husband and I went out and were able to talk to one another about the situation. He agreed that he did not handle the situation well at all, and that he needs to handle things better in the future. I advised him to get onto more polyamory websites and look into advise and suggestions other people have, and he agreed to do this. I also spoke with him about moving things too quickly, as it can end up disasterous. He said he appreciated my word of caution, so things seem to be looking up for now. I am meeting this woman tonight, and I am nervous, but have a feeling that it will probably go well. My husband has confidence that we will get along very well. He is usually a good judge of character in this regard. He also states that she does not want to screw up a marriage, and will move forward if things are cool with me. So I already appreciate the level of respect that she supposedly has. Any advice on the first night in meeting her? Do you talk about what is important in this situation, or do you suggest just acting more casual? Thanks again for everyone's support.
      • Re: my husband's first secondary

        Mon, May 12, 2008 - 8:24 AM
        It's not a corporate merger! Just meet the woman. You might make a new friend, which will be cool, and if not, that's okay, too. You don't have to be bestest buddies with your husband's partners.

        But the opportunity to meet nifty people probably would be a nice thing.
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          Re: my husband's first secondary

          Tue, May 13, 2008 - 2:13 PM
          I actually have new views on this since dating a research psychologist who's been involved in demonstrating the obvious but until now unproven thesis that the more one's partners know each other and interact, the less jealousy there is. Plus, while it's true that everyone doesn't have to get along, from a practical standpoint a lot of things are excluded when partners don't like each other. So I think a genuine good-faith willingness to try to be civilized and friendly is important to poly relationships. Don't worry about the details--just be open to making friends with the woman and see if that helps any.
      • Re: my husband's first secondary

        Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:17 PM
        "I am so glad that I joined this support group."

        Oh.

        This is a support group?
        • Re: my husband's first secondary

          Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:25 PM
          do you have a secondary as well?

          maybe now is a good time to spend some time with that person.

          i feel very concerned for you that you have a hubby who has very little time for you and your child.

          "primary" should mean just that: primary.

          everything else is secondary.

          unless of course you want it not to be.

          i know he's the father of your child but i don't believe in staying together for children. they see through the cracks and often wish parents had broken up years before they do.

          best to you!

          i gave a hubby the boot who treated me as secondary. and i've NEVER been happier!
      • see Jenni exactly

        Wed, May 14, 2008 - 9:21 AM
        It takes a while before you both come to a mutual understanding right? That was never the case with my ex. She was thrown into it by her tantra teacher. He was telling her that polymary was a must for his teachings. His teachings were from a male sexist point of view who pictured "loving all" as having sex with all. Thus taking advantage of her bipolar syndrome and good looks which led to her divorce in th first place. Is that f`ed up or what? Sure it was her choice, but she was just going by what she was taught. It was him that f`ed her life up, him
        • Re: see Jenni exactly

          Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:28 PM
          You are so right Kevin.
          So many have violated trusts. If you get a chance travel a bit and check out what excessive sexual control from religion has done to teachers, priest, pastors, imams, rabbis and not least or last tantra teachers throughout the world. The sanest places for sex is former CIS countries where they outlawed religion period for several generations. But they are slowly getting messed up as religion in the form of the orthodox church is showing muscle (again).
          • thank you so much Jack!

            Wed, May 14, 2008 - 9:25 PM
            It makes me so happy that someone agrees with me, cause I`ve been feeling so isolated. We first met on Valentines Day and we kissed. Shortly after that she came to realize that she could get all her necessary loving from only one person, thus she claimed to be monogymus because of me. I could have told her that from the start, but played along with her. But see how her beauty along with her bipolar condition was taken advantage of from that teacher? I still despise him for that, cause we just recently broke up lately cause she moved so far away, and she`s mentally at least right back where she was before we met. Sad cause I still have deep feelings for her, bu what`s a guy to do? Move on I suppose. Thx again Jack.
            • how do I

              Sun, May 25, 2008 - 9:49 AM
              Delete this topic off my darn page? Anyone?
              • Re: how do I

                Sun, May 25, 2008 - 9:58 AM
                Read the help section.

                Much like with any device you do not know how to use.
                • now THERE`S an intelligent response!

                  Sun, May 25, 2008 - 10:25 AM
                  LOL! Perhaps you aren`t aware of the meaning of the word DISCUSSION. I asked a QUESTION, duhhhh! LOL!
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: now THERE`S an intelligent response!

                    Sun, May 25, 2008 - 11:42 AM
                    He is aware of the meaning, but it is customary to refer people to the FAQ if it seems they have not read it.
                    To answer your question: you can only delete threads you have started. You cannot delete Jenni's thread. If there is something in a thread you have said that you wish to be deleted you can ask the moderator to delete it for you. If the moderator is an active one they will usually comply. If the tribe has an absentee moderator then the best you can do is politely request future readers disregard the offending remark.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: now THERE`S an intelligent response!

                    Mon, May 26, 2008 - 6:39 AM
                    "LOL! Perhaps you aren`t aware of the meaning of the word DISCUSSION. I asked a QUESTION, duhhhh! LOL!"

                    I'm quite familiar with the term. And I answered your question which is exactly how discussion works. Perhaps you should read up on the term?

                    I'll reiterate for you though. In order to find where one would change their "homepage" then one would go to the help section and read about how one might do that. In most systems with a help section you'll end up finding most of the answers to your questions in that help section.

                    It's really fucking easy.

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