Inner Hardass

topic posted Sat, June 21, 2008 - 6:56 AM by  Unsubscribed
Noel referenced her "Inner Hardass" column in a recent thread--this is my favorite column--
A while back Edward said something about how there's often a moment when we know a relationship isn't going to work out, but it takes us forever to act on it. I've had the same experience so now I have a goal to minimize the time between that moment and actually dumping my date--I made up my own list of "inner hardass" boundaries/rules based on a mental review of those moments. And even if I don't have the list with me I can always ask myself mentally, "Has the moment arrived? Is this it?" It's quite helpful actually. Well, at the risk of boring everyone and/or sounding like a fascist, here is my list--maybe you have one too, I'd love to hear it--and yeah, I know it all makes me sound unappealing, but to be honest I've spent most of my life being accommodating and now I'm old enough that I'd rather just have what I want.

--If I feel I am being treated disrespectfully (inappropriate anger, condescending remarks, monosyllabic answers to important questions, etc.), I will bail out. I'm going to trust my instincts on this question because they've always been right, and I'm not listening to a lot of argumentation about it. I might listen to an apology once. If you can't even apologize, forget it.

--If you disrespect my safe-sex rules or make me feel guilty about them, it's over. (I will forgive one benign effort to weasel out of them, and I will give you fair warning of my position. Please don't keep bringing it up unless you have life-partner status.)

--I don't want to be involved in your legal problems. The first time I am asked to sign a deposition, there will be no more dates.

--If you feel the need to make some speech about how you don't really care about me that much, you didn't really mean what you said, or that you aren't interested in being "serious," that will be a terminal conversation—obviously whatever I wanted from the relationship is not going to happen. No we can't "be friends" or "friends with benefits." I do occasionally have casual relationships and friends with benefits, but by mutual agreement from the beginning. If this subject comes up, I will cut my losses.

--I expect you to return phone calls promptly, answer email, and agree to a schedule of reciprocal visits commensurate with the seriousness of the relationship. I do not wait around by the phone. And I don't care what a fabulous city you live in or how uncool my town seems to you, I will not visit you every time.

--If it becomes apparent that you have problems making simple plans a few days (or weeks, if air travel is involved) ahead of time and sticking to them, I will give up.

--If I see you disrespecting a committed partner (or anyone, really—a friend, my ex-husband, my other lovers, your other lovers, the waiter--but especially a committed partner), there will be no more dates. I will assume that I am next in line for the same treatment.

--Get your finances together. I will not offer you money to make a child support payment or pay your rent, nor would I ask this from you. You don't need to be rich, but you do need to be financially stable and able to meet your obligations; unless we are in a long-term, committed relationship, do not ask me to weather a "run of bad luck" with you. Get a job and get your life together first. You or I, whoever has more means, may buy the other occasional gifts, plane tickets, hotel rooms, and meals in restaurants that the other can't afford; if we are not willing to do this, we do cheap things together so neither of us goes bankrupt trying to keep up.

--Get your anger under control. If there are childhood traumas you haven't got over, if you have issues with your family or with your ex or with someone else in your life, if you feel like a victim, see a therapist and maybe give me a call when you've solved the problem.

--No means no. I will not be argued with about my feelings or told how I feel or what I think or what I need.

--I don't care how professionally successful you are or how pressing your problems are. Your time is not more valuable than mine and the first time you suggest this or behave as though it were true, I will leave. I will of course understand scheduling difficulties and emergencies up to a point, and I will expect the same consideration from you; but if it becomes obvious that our schedules will prevent me from getting whatever I need from the relationship, I'll give up.

--I will quickly tire of your asking for favors that consume my entire day, as though I had nothing better to do. Double points if you yell at me for messing up some detail at any point when I am performing the favor. Triple points if you also ask me for money.

--I will not be blamed for your problems, nor do I believe that blame belongs in a mature relationship. I will explain this to you, but based on experience I'm not optimistic that it will have an effect. If you're a habitual blamer, expect our relationship to be short.

--I will make a good-faith effort to get along with your other partners. I will begin with the assumption that they are nice, friendly, sexy people and will seek out the closest relationship that works with the personalities involved. I don't need to be intimate or best friends with everyone, but if significant tensions develop, I may leave; competition and exclusion are not my style. If exclusion is your style, we cannot have a serious relationship.

--I don't care how many partners you have or which if any is "primary": you are not authorized to disrupt my life more than theirs or to inconvenience me more than them, nor to treat me with less consideration. If my needs and those of your "primary" conflict, we will talk about it and it works out or it does not; I do not automatically defer. "Secondary" does not mean inferior. (Actually I will probably ask you not to refer to me as a "secondary," though that is not necessarily a dealbreaker.)

--I will not indulge my jealousies, but if you meet someone new and our relationship changes significantly and I feel neglected--we will discuss it, but I may leave. I do not consider polyamory a binding contract to stay with you if my needs are no longer being met.

--If you cannot acknowledge my point of view in an argument, I have no way of resolving differences with you, and I will leave.

--If I am fucking you, the words "it's none of your business" or "that's private" do not apply. You may request more private time or space, but you may not tell me that a question of mine is inappropriate. If I'm not fucking you, go for it.

--If you have a problem with my being polyamorous, you have two weeks to get over it. I am not converting to monogamy for you and I will not listen to recriminations on this issue. In particular, the first time I hear a lecture about what Jesus wants me to do, I will end the relationship.

--I have very strict boundaries regarding my children. Allow me to introduce them to you on my schedule and control the degree of interaction. All parenting decisions will be made by me and the children's father.
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    Re: Inner Hardass

    Sat, June 21, 2008 - 8:12 AM
    Also I've been going through some stuff that makes me want to draw up a list of boundaries for friendships, too. There are some I should have bailed out on a long time ago.
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    Sat, June 21, 2008 - 10:13 AM
    My marriage lasted at least 3 years longer than it should have. After looking back over my over my journal entries from the years preceding the divorce, I have made this promise to myself: If I ever make a journal entry about you that sounds like it's right out of goth-drama-jr-high (I can't live without you, I'm so empty when you're gone, do you even still like me, I'm miserable/depressed/exhausted over our relationship,etc.) I am leaving immediately. No negotiations, no couples therapy, no apologies. I'm just walking.
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      Sat, June 21, 2008 - 10:55 AM
      So Issa, I mean no disrespect, but... why? It sounds like you would condemn a relationship for reasons that stem from you. If you dread statements from yourself like "I'm empty without you", is it fair to lay any part of that blame on your partner? Maybe I'm not getting what you said right.
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        Sat, June 21, 2008 - 2:11 PM
        I agree with Issa--if we're having those thoughts, something's gone badly wrong and it doesn't really matter whose fault it is. I'm not hugely into "fairness" in ending a relationship--it's not about justice or who's to blame, it's about whether it's working or not. Maybe I'll add the "I can't live without you" thing to my boundaries list as an obvious sign that I need some time to myself.
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          Sat, June 21, 2008 - 3:16 PM
          I agree with about 1/2 of those LadyLily and have them instituted as personal boundaries for my own relationships. One thing I've discovered about myself is that, due to past relationship trauma, I lived the past 5 to 5 1/2 years with so many boundaries that no one could get close to me-- nor did I allow myself to get very close to anyone else. This is because I was coming from a place of self-protection more so than self-respect. I'm learning the fine distinction between the two these days.

          For example, if someone I care for didn't return a phone call or email or text in what I considered to be a timely manner I used to get pretty bent about it. And because I don't like feeling that way I would try to come up with a solution, which was often walking away. I would let them know that I thought it was inconsiderate and rude and *poof*, I was outta there. But, I didn't necessarily feel any better after the fact and generally didn't feel that I'd actually 'resolved' anything. This is because I was failing to own up to my own reaction and in an effort to protect myself from those icky feelings I wasn't considerate enough to just ask them why they didn't call and/or try to find a workable solution for both of us. It was "my way or the highway" and it was a pretty lonely way to live.

          Fast forward to now. I still sometimes have those icky feelings but I'm usually able to decipher what's my own doing (allowing myself to get bent about it) separately from what the other partner is doing. And I ask as well as let them know how I feel about it. I try not to let myself obsess over it or sit by the phone or come up with a list of negative reasons why they're *avoiding* me...instead I consciously practice letting go or coming up with a list of positive reasons why they haven't gotten around to it yet. Turns out that nearly every time this has happened in the past 6 months between my sweetie and I it's been for a very good reason. I have requested that, in the event he's just not able or in the right space to return a call or email or text that he simply find some way of letting me know he can't right away but that he'll get back to me. Then I don't feel ignored or avoided and we both feel respected.

          This also leads into the "I can't live without you" schtick some of us allow ourselves to fall victim to. Ideally, if you're intimately involved with someone there would be a mutual desire for each person to feel healthy, strong, capable, etc. If you're able to recognize yourself falling into this trap then you know it's hardly the other partners fault...it's a deep seated issue within our own selves and one that I would hope the other partner would be willing to help us through, even if that means just quietly supporting us from a distance while we work through it. It would truly suck if I or my partner threw in the towel every time either of us ran into one of these deep seated issues in need of repair. It's been much more cathartic for both of us to actually walk through these issues together, as partners, and come out the other side all the stronger for it.

          I don't mean to sound all Pollyanna-ish, and I definitely have a few inner hardass issues that I'm not willing to negotiate or compromise on. But for me, I feel that most things can be worked through providing we engage in self-respect as the primary motivator, and not just self-protection.

          -K
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            Sat, June 21, 2008 - 3:29 PM
            While I get your point, I also think that when people object to people having hard core inner rules it's not always from a benevolent motivation.

            The relationships I have where there is a mutual respect of boundaries are a lot of fun.

            *wrygrin* I have one right now, where one of the coolest things he ever did was to be straight up about something, saying, "I don't really want to do that." No fits, no drama, just... saying what he wanted.

            I really, really enjoyed it.
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            Sat, June 21, 2008 - 3:42 PM
            I'm sort of the opposite personality--I've never, ever been in danger of walking out of a relationship that could have worked or ending it too early, I've always done the opposite. The few times I've managed it--managed to walk away when I was treated badly or knew it wasn't working--it's been liberating. So I'm hoping my list can serve as a reminder to myself that it's OK to do that and when might be a good time. Of course one unreturned phone call isn't a disaster :) but it means a great deal to me when I can trust people to get back to me unless something serious prevents it, instead of just blowing me off and leaving me wondering. It's the easiest way to my heart :)
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            Sat, June 21, 2008 - 6:45 PM
            I'm tired and probably not too coherent, but I'll have a stab at this.

            "It would truly suck if I or my partner threw in the towel every time either of us ran into one of these deep seated issues in need of repair."

            Ain't that the truth! I managed to realize that myself before dumping B, and I was thisclosetodoingit.

            I have rules, but I'm at a point where the voice of wisdom tells me that I need to have more flexibility to balance em out. My boundaries were starting to become self defeating too; self protection is necessary, it's a good coat to put on when it's needed, but crappy to wear all the time. So I softened them from "this person must treat me well" to "the person must consistently try to treat me well." If they can't do it, then I need to balance protecting myself with interacting with them-- but that's something I approach more gently than I used to.

            I had a lightbulb realization that for the most part, these people whom I want to have friendships and relationships with are doing the best they can. Sometimes "the best they can" may not be good at all. I've been a lousy friend, girlfriend and family member myself many times over. If I could have done any better I would have. Gotta give the rest of the human race the benefit of the doubt there too. I have icky moments of feeling neglected and unloved, havin' one now over non romantic social situation; but intellectually I know no one is deliberately excluding me.

            [Addendum, though, NOTHING turns me off faster than hearing "I can't live without you."]
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        Sat, June 21, 2008 - 9:58 PM
        Ah... yes, I see your point. I guess the thing is that I'm not normally that way. I think "I'm empty without you" is a ridiculous statement. From where I sit right now, I don't know how anyone can think that way... much less ME? However, an abusive relationship is never running along smoothly and then one day - BAM - it's abusive with all kinds of crystal clear signs. It's a long, slow, sneaky deterioration that can involve a lot of mind games that you don't even notice until you finally wake up realize you're a basket case even if you don't understand why. And here's the thing, if one person in a relationship is a "can't live without you" person, the other person wants to be in a relationship with a "can't live without you" person. When I woke up and realized that our relationship had deteriorated past the point of any sense of reasonableness, I gave it a very long, very committed effort at turning things around by NOT being that pathetic person and attempting to address (through therapy) the issues each of us had that got us there in the first place. Guess what? He wasn't interested in that. Next time I find myself in a childish, abusive relationship, I'm not wasting those miserable fucking years trying to fix anybody or the relationship. I'm just walking.
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          Sat, June 21, 2008 - 10:36 PM
          EeeeeK! And as I write this I'm having a bit of a break down over something I just posted about. Fuck.

          My primary sweetie needed a cellphone for the business venture we're partnered up in. I have this awesome plan that allows me to add up to 5 phone lines for only $5 a month, so we decided to just put him on mine. Except that today I went online to see if I could find a better package with more options and discovered that he's been texting a few other numbers *all freaking night*even though he never responded to my text or voicemail from earlier. One of them was incredibly sweet and sexy, too!!!!! But almost immediately after my messages the online account shows him texting some other number...several times. Then a few more numbers after that. The a few phone calls. Though not one response to me at all...and thus far he's not caught up on paying his portion of the bill so I'm covering it for both of us.

          I feel like a complete fool.

          -K
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            Sun, June 22, 2008 - 9:42 AM
            "I feel like a complete fool."

            You can't cancel it? Texting costs money if you ain't got a package. I found that out the hard way.
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              Sun, June 22, 2008 - 10:18 AM
              I can't cancel the phone line til he gets another one cuz it's on all of our biz proposals, cards, etc. And I discovered I can't cancel the ability to text, I can simply make it more affordable by going with a different package. Anyway, I've requested he get a diff phone and just have this number transferred. As far as feeling avoided/ignored/foolish, I'll just have to deal with that on my own.

              -K
  • Re: Inner Hardass

    Sat, June 21, 2008 - 6:52 PM
    Huh.
    Well, everybody has different boundaries. It sounds like you're looking for very serious and committed relationships, in which case a firm set of rules about behaviors you are and are not willing to accept in a mate may be a good thing. Me, I've always had a much laxer approach. I have a few cardinal sins, things like lying, hurting my friends, purposeless cruelty, violence towards myself or those I care about, abuse of animals or children, insistence on monogamy, etc. As a general rule though I only have absolute and inflexible rules about relationship termination around personality traits that would indicate I have SERIOUSLY misjudged this person's character and they are not the sort of person I want around me in any context.
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      Mon, June 23, 2008 - 12:00 AM
      I think it's a good idea to listen to one's inner hardass, but not necessarily to follow blindly whatever it says. Rules like these are useful as guidelines for things that one should look out for, but there may be situations where the answer isn't necessarily to leave, but rather to have a Big Talk and one or both of the parties involved to seek professional help. In other words, a relationship with problems (or with a person who has problems) might possibly be worth saving.
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        Mon, June 23, 2008 - 3:57 AM
        Yes, there are relationships worth working on.

        For myself, my own hardass rules revolve around dealing with people with very serious boundary issues. I don't want to have or even work on relationships with people with bad boundaries.
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    Re: Inner Hardass

    Sun, June 22, 2008 - 5:06 AM
    Well, I reread my list and I think I'd stand by every item. Let's just say every item has a really good story to back it up. Exception to the legal-problems cause: I would help a guy out in a custody suit, especially if I were the reason for it. I say this because it looks like my own situation is heading in that direction.
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      Sun, June 22, 2008 - 9:44 AM
      "Let's just say every item has a really good story to back it up."

      That is usually the case.

      Not every story, though, produces a rule. 8)

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