safer sex

topic posted Sat, April 19, 2008 - 2:36 PM by  Unsubscribed
This isn't a question so much as a vent--
The topic of safer sex came up on another thread, and I think we all agree it's a great idea. But why is it the case that every guy I've ever fucked (and I've been around the block a few times) has jumped into bed with me with no intention of using a condom until I insisted? And they've often given me a hard time about it, and sometimes it's hard to insist--I'm not perfect, I have vulnerabilities and insecurities and emotional ups and downs like everyone else. Then typically the relationship goes south or never really gets started, and I spend the next months in fear and self-recrimination. I don't need to be told it's not as much fun with a condom, I know that, and I don't want to be less fun than the next girl (one guy pushed several buttons at once by telling me that YOUNGER women don't insist on condoms! I know I should have dumped him, but it was one of those vulnerable periods--). But nothing is less fun that speculating for weeks on end about the effect on me and my family of a positive HIV test. It would be so much easier if we all just agreed that unsafe sex is a really, really, really bad idea in almost any circumstance. We have known for decades that HIV is regularly transmitted from women to men. Why aren't guys less worried? And if polys are supposed to be so good at communication, why is this issue so hard to talk about? The guys on this tribe seem pretty reasonable, so this isn't aimed at you, it's just something I've been wanting to say. And I don't need a lecture, I know how important it is to enforce my values and maintain my self-esteem, it just seems like--well, like I said, it would be a hell of a lot easier if at least some HIV education were aimed at straight men (a problem the health care community acknowledges) instead of putting the whole burden on women.
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  • Re: safer sex

    Sat, April 19, 2008 - 4:00 PM

    I'm surprised about the lack of awareness nowadays. I thought we were on a roll as far as that goes, but I guess the next generation has gotten complacent.

    It's not ok. These are not guys you should keep having sex with, even if your encounters involve condoms. Condoms are not 100%, and you don't know where they've been if they're taking that attitude with you.

    So here's your reality check honey: You are in the right here, should feel no guilt, and I would hate for you to feel anything negative except contempt regarding those who don't respect you.
    • Re: safer sex

      Sun, April 20, 2008 - 8:20 AM
      Ew; choose a better caliber of lovers, maybe? Have the talk about safer sex before you even kiss them? I don't know...I guess it is one of the benefits of living in a less populated area that if a guy acted this way, he'd be ostracized.
  • Re: safer sex

    Sun, April 20, 2008 - 8:28 AM
    Condoms are the "must do." If they don't then they aren't worth your time. You, and your health and wellbeing, are far more important than his climax.

    Period.
  • Re: safer sex

    Sun, April 20, 2008 - 8:49 AM
    I'm an old hag who insists on condoms.

    If someone had tried to pull the "younger cuter ones don't insist" card on me, I'd have to say that I'd feel like I was well rid of the *ahem* individual. I got dumped by a partner of 7 years for an 18 year old once, and that one would have had every alarm bell in my head clanging like crazy.

    This is probably my favorite discussion on STDs out there: www.serolynne.com/poly_stds.htm
    • Re: safer sex

      Sun, April 20, 2008 - 10:49 AM
      I'm going to play the Devil' advocate and say that there are just as many women out there who are playing Russian Roulette as there are men. And women are just as capable of manipulating the emotions of a man as men are of doing the same in order to get what they want.

      Just use these little come backs next time someone tries to manipulate you into endangering yourself.

      "Well younger girls don't insist on using condoms."
      "Did you know that 1 in 4 young women will have had an STI before she's 18?"

      "It's ok baby, I'm on the Pill"
      "No it's not sweetie, the pill doesn't cover everything."

      "They feel icky/reduce my sensitivity/are too tight/etc."
      "Wearing a condom won't feel half as icky as getting an infection."

      "I'm allergic to them."
      "Well they do make non-latex or non spermicide condoms so we'll get some of those and try this again later."
      • Re: safer sex

        Tue, April 22, 2008 - 12:29 AM
        "I'm going to play the Devil' advocate and say that there are just as many women out there who are playing Russian Roulette as there are men. And women are just as capable of manipulating the emotions of a man as men are of doing the same in order to get what they want. "

        Hardly being a devil's advocate. I'd suggest that most everybody wouldn't, if they didn't think they had to.

        Sure, the wisest thing to do is go in assuming one will use them, and condoms are accepted as a necessary evil, but other than the latex fetishists, c'mon, NO ONE would bother if they weren't necessary. We ACCEPT them, but we don't have to LIKE them. And that's where these "moments" can happen, where each person is maybe hoping THIS time it'll be okay.

        I think that's what happens with a lot of folks. It's one of those topics that OUGHT to be addressed, but (shrug) there's a certain level of discomfort to it, so people put it off, hoping the other person will mention it first.

        Now, I'm not saying this is "okay," lest someone get their knickers in a twist over what they THINK I'm trying to say. I'm trying to say that when you combine "necessary" with "evil" then the necessary evil conversation might have a rough start. And, combined with the fact that (again, excepting the people who are INTO restrictions) condoms generally don't make things feel better, it's not a wonder at all that there are so many kidlets wandering around. The STD stuff is unfortunate as well -- kids and bugs seem to be tightly bound to an extremely pleasurable thing.

        That's the way it is.

        Condoms are used because they are the least unpleasant way of preventing or avoiding a large percentage of these problems, but let us not mistake them for "pleasant."

        So, if someone tells me "hey, I'd rather not use these", I generally have to agree with that sentiment. Doesn't mean I'll act on it -- just means I'm not bullshitting myself into thinking they're extra-bonus fun.

        This helps keep me from being a jerk to someone who (no big surprise) doesn't want to use 'em. I'm sympathetic.

        This is not to say there aren't jerks out there, of course. I just wouldn't equate them with "people who just don't like condoms" because THAT group is a pretty damn large percentage of people, I'd wager.
  • Re: safer sex

    Mon, April 21, 2008 - 7:54 AM
    I can entirely relate to your experience, LadyLily! It's amazing how often I have had to stop educated, wordly, otherwise brilliant, caring and talented men and insist on using condoms. It's no wonder STD's are so rampant, if unprotected sex is so common!
  • Re: safer sex

    Mon, April 21, 2008 - 10:59 PM
    "Younger women don't insist on condoms"

    BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT-- I'm 23, and insist on them every time.

    Tell 'im that he can go lay and possibly infect a younger woman then. You'll keep your old, non-infected pussy to yourself. Fucker. Grrrrr.
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      Re: safer sex

      Tue, April 22, 2008 - 7:05 PM
      Hey thanks for all the support people. I feel a lot better. I am totally going to use the line about my old non-infected pussy :) I'm glad to know there are some guys out there who are on board for reasonably risk-averse sex! Nothing is more fun than not worrying about dying--you guys are great lovers.
      • Re: safer sex

        Tue, April 22, 2008 - 7:20 PM
        The best and greatest sex organ is that grey matter between your ears. What we call our brain. If the chemistry is there and the intention is good then really great sex will follow, with whatever protection you need to be safe. Enjoy.
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    Re: safer sex

    Wed, April 23, 2008 - 6:05 AM
    I guess one way to look at it is this--
    Poly sex is exhilarating but also dangerous, like rock climbing or skydiving. Most of us wouldn't go rock climbing without ropes and a helmet--or whatever the appropriate safety equipment is--and we wouldn't go skydiving without, well, a parachute. So a condom is like a little parachute that allows us to live a more thrilling and satisfying lifestyle. Maybe we can learn to like them better if we think about it that way.
  • Re: safer sex

    Wed, April 23, 2008 - 11:00 AM
    Another thing-- invest time in finding condoms you enjoy (as much as is possible). I actually really like how Pleasure Plus and One brands feel. They're really smooth, don't taste like awful rubber, and are particularly thin. I hate using any other kinds.
    • Re: safer sex

      Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:24 PM
      pleasure plus. pleasure plus. They don't work terribly well for average-sized men, though.
      • Re: safer sex

        Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:41 PM
        They do run small, unfortunately. But they have bigger sized ones too available online.
        • Re: safer sex

          Thu, April 24, 2008 - 11:12 AM
          My brand of choice is Crown Skinless-Skin. These were named the San Fracisco Sex Workers Choice, and those people know condoms really well. They have all of the qualities of the pleasures plus but fit a wider range of sizes.

          You can get them at www.goodvibes.com

          Happy fucking!
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            Re: safer sex

            Fri, April 25, 2008 - 4:35 AM
            They also sell a sampler pack of 7 different kinds of premium ultra-thin condoms (including Skinless Skin). Maybe I can get my partners so involved in picking one out that they will forget to tell me why they don't want to use one.

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