how much time is too much?

topic posted Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:47 PM by  Jenni
I would like everyone's input on how much time one should spend with their secondary, especially at the beginning of the relationship. I know that in monogamous relationships that people want to spend evey waking second of their time together. It is also true with any relationship. I am experiencing my husband's first secondary, and I know that he is going through that phase right now. I am not sure what is the best way to act. Like I had mentioned previously, my husband is a busy man, and has limited time already. He is spending a lot of time with his secondary right now, and I am feeling quite neglected. I am not sure if I should just go with the flow on all of this and allow him to be free, or if I should try to communicate the way this all makes me feel. I am also not sure at what point your insecurities blind you with fear and negativity. It is all very overwhelming for me at this point. I am afraid that if I limit him too much, that he will come to resent me. It seems that it is a fine line, and I am not sure how to walk it. Any advice?
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Jenni
Omaha
  • Re: how much time is too much?

    Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:56 PM
    There is no game plan, no set amount of time one should spend with anyone. What you have to determine is what works for the both of you. If you are feeling neglected, by all means, say so. I like to plan dates and nights with my wife when we are both really busy so we know we are setting aside quality time with each other. How it works for us is we rarely see our other partners on the weekends, in part to hang out with each other, but also I have a ton of friends, hobbies, and go out to live shows a lot, this consumes my weekends. I generally hang out with another partner once or twice during the week, depending on how our schedules match up. But it's all fluid, changing, and flexible. At the beginning of a new romance when there's new relationship energy, someone obviously wants to spend a little more time with the new person, but it's important for them not to neglect their other relationships, especially if they have a primary one.
  • Re: how much time is too much?

    Wed, May 14, 2008 - 1:04 PM
    as Dan said, there is no formula. It depends entirely on the people involved.

    I have had issues in the past with feeling like my husband was putting more effort into seeing his secondary than he was into seeing me. We struggled with this for a long time until we came to a solution that has worked remarkably well FOR US. We now have set date-nights with each other every week (one week night and one weekend night). The other evenings we are free to schedule on our own with whatever comes up (not just dates, lots of other engagements as well). If we need to schedule a date with a secondary on the night of one of our set nights, we only do so if we can swap it for another night. This way we make sure we have time together but we both also feel like we have some autonomy and control over our own schedules. It has been a nice balance, for the most part.

    it is always hard at the beginning of a new relationship -- it is very easy to get caught up in the excitement of the new person and neglect the "old" relationship. He needs to be mindful of this. You need to tell him you are feeling neglected and would like him to put more effort into scheduling time with you. Don't expect him to guess or figure it out on his own. But also give him a little room to enjoy his new relationship, as you may want him to extend you the same courtesy some day!!
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    Re: how much time is too much?

    Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:27 PM
    Definitely tell him about your feelings. Polyamory won't work unless both partners are capable of listening to the other's needs and working out solutions. Of course, he won't know what your needs are unless you tell him. If you frame it as a discussion of how you feel rather than a list of rules, there should be no resentment (if there is, that's a separate problem). I'm not anti-rule by the way--we all abide by rules, whether we're aware of it or not; in polyamory we have to make up our own because we don't accept the ones society wrote for us. It may be that a schedule or a few simple rules is what you need to make it work and you can negotiate that with him.
  • Re: how much time is too much?

    Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:07 PM

    I second what Dan and Diva have said too. Setting up a date night is a good thing -- making a commitment to deal with your relationship with intent.

    I have a suggestion that might help you frame your approach to this:

    You may want to try to think in terms of "what can I do, or ask of him, that is good for our relationship". The alternative thinking: "what can I do, or tell him to do, that would limit or restrict his relationship" is treading into those dangerous waters of control and resentment.

    Don't confuse the two. "I only want you to see her for x hours per week because that is good for our relationship" is attempting to control him and is really not taking care of your relationship with him. In other words, as much as possible, try to remove the other relationship out of the discussion of what is good for the two of you.
    • Re: how much time is too much?

      Thu, May 15, 2008 - 9:52 AM
      "as much as possible, try to remove the other relationship out of the discussion of what is good for the two of you."

      Nails


      Jenni- Your situation sounds like my wife's, 9 months ago...

      Falling in love: Although I briefly met B (girlfriend) 2 months before we really spent time together, I can say that I fell in love with her in 2 days (2 intense full days).

      Similar to you: N (wife) was in the same position you seem to be...we hadn't been monogamous for years but I had never fallen in love with someone. Never wanted to. That all changed after spending time with B.

      What N did: She expressed her fear and anticipatory grief over loosing me (totally or partially) to another woman. She exposed her emotions without judging me, so I knew exactly where she stood. She was helpful in letting me know what she needed, as her emotions ebbed and flowed. She also realized that if I loved this woman, she might like her too.

      What I did: I did my best to reassure N by reminding her how much I love her and that I plan to always be with her. I also directed a lot of my NRE her way...that is powerful stuff. I was careful to strike a balance between being candid with my thoughts and feelings, while at the same time not being brutally honest (brutal- I wanted to tell everyone about this new love and if I had let myself go, I would have been telling N, "I am so in love with this person!!! I want her." every few minutes...that probably wouldn't have gone over well).

      Where we are now: It's been 9 months and my love for B continues to broaden and deepen. So does my love for N...and I was already head-over-heals in love with her!!! BONUS- Now N has a hugely valued friend in B. They express their love and appreciation for each other often. They can also commiserate together when I've been my lesser self.

      Jenni, our situation might not be typical. I'm a pretty awesome guy and have two AMAZING women that I am in love with.

      Then again, from what you wrote about your reactions, and the level love and objectivity I observe in it, you seem like an amazing woman too. Namaste
      • Re: how much time is too much?

        Sat, May 17, 2008 - 7:09 PM
        Hi Jenni. I'm Ptony's wife and I was where you are at now...about 9 months ago. It was really tough to work around my need for reassurance and desire to have him explore his new relationship. It became all about very, very open communication and finding out where our balance needed to be at any given time.

        (((hugs)))
        • Re: how much time is too much?

          Sat, May 17, 2008 - 8:36 PM
          Thanks NanSee and Ptony. It is nice to hear from both of you that it is possible and that things can work out. I would have to say that it can be very difficult to see your spouse so preoccupied with someone else that when they are with you, they are not really "with" you. That is what I am struggling with right now. I know that i was at that point with another partner about 2 months ago, (we are no longer together) so I am trying to just ride it out. I think that it will all work itself out. It would be nice if I could meet someone else as well, but no luck lately. Either way, I appreciate you sharing your experience with me. Peace and Love
  • Re: how much time is too much?

    Sat, May 17, 2008 - 8:33 PM
    I don't think there's a "should" on time. I like to take each relationship, each day, and each moment as it comes, because so many different things can effect the amount of time that seems right and rewarding to spend with any particular person. I also don't necessarily think there's a "best way" for you to act, if "best way" also means a should. There's just what works and what doesn't, what feels good and what doesn't. I definitely think you should share with him how you feel. How else will he know? How else will you keep from feeling resentful or just bottled up? When you share how you feel, I would also encourage you to have a clear idea of what you're looking for in response. Would you just like him to hear you and acknowledge your feelings? Would you like him to take a specific action in relation to your feelings? And if so, what would that action be? You might ask for specific date nights, for example, or to get a good-night phone call on nights he's away, or whatever.

    For me, I also like to try to embrace my partner's passion for a new partner. I view the sparkly beginning of a relationship as a vital period of time that serves as a foundation for the rest of the relationship and adds a special kind of shine to life. I wouldn't want to do anything to "get in the way" of that for my partner. When my partner has goo-goo eyes for someone new, I *want* him to experience that as fully as possible. I *want* him to be a little less enamored of me, spend a little less time with me, spend less energy on me, think of me less often. That spark at the beginning is something that you never quite get back in exactly the same way. However, a few months later, when it starts to fade, I will still be there, he will still love me, our relationship will not have been tarnished by making room for something else, even if it seems like **a lot** of room at the time. None of which is to say that that's easy, but it's something I'm committed to. If I'm having trouble, I want to ask for things that will help me out, but not try to take too much away from the emotional roller-coaster he's on. I might ask for some special dates or something. And I also try to get a little of his excitement about her. I want to hear about it, about how he's feeling, and about her. I'm not in sparkly-land with her, but if I can get a little of the excitement off of him, it also serves my relationship and view of her as we go forward, since I can view her as this person who's making the person I love all wrapped up in happiness.
    • Re: how much time is too much?

      Sat, May 17, 2008 - 8:44 PM
      Thanks Issa, I think that all of that is much easier said than done. I definitely agree though, as I know that when I can let go and let my partner be more free, he appreciates me and loves me on a deeper level than he did before. I do like to hear him talk about the way it makes him feel, as it is fun for me to get caught up in the way he is feeling about the whole thing too. Also, it is not something against me that he is enamored with someone else, it is just human nature to feel that way about someone new. He and I had this time in our relationhship when we felt that "sparkling love" for one another as well. We were just remembering it the other night. When we share like that, I feel closer to him than ever before. I have definitely spoken with him in the last couple of days about my feelings, and so far, it has gone well. It is really nice to have people on this post that understand what I am going through, as I am from Nebraska, and there aren't a lot of poly people around here to seek advice from. Peace and Love to you!
      • Re: how much time is too much?

        Sun, May 18, 2008 - 5:37 AM
        I agree that it's easier said than done. I've certainly had my wobbles! Polyamory is also a lot easier when you've got other poly people around you. I wouldn't want to go it alone. I'm glad it's gone well for you, talking to him about it. Good luck! :-)
        • Re: how much time is too much?

          Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:33 PM
          <<We were just remembering it the other night. >>
          that is really great. it will all get easier as time goes on.
          we are writing the operator's manual.
          even tho i do not follow the primary/etc model,
          it still took me a few years into poly to realize, hey, i can really love more than one person so deeply, and still stay with them all in whatever level we all want.
          enjoy
          xo
  • Re: how much time is too much?

    Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:57 PM
    First tip: DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

    This sounds like an incredibly apathetic solution, but let me elaborate. I just went through this situation and got the Bad Ending, of sorts. Lemme offer up the cautionary tale with some advice.

    I'm the second primary in a two-primary V. I came into this situation after my (female) lover and her (male) lover had been seeing one another for a couple of years. I'll refer to them as Girl and Boy respectively. Boy and Girl have sexual relationship; Girl and I have sexual relationship; Boy and I play a lot of video games and otherwise get along famously (though we made out once, for kicks).

    Over the last year or so, our relationship started going through some mysterious changes - cooling off, in other words. While Girl and I are very sexually compatible, Boy started becoming more sexually distant, though he was still exploring with other lovers. Over a lot of time (a year or two), we discovered what was going on: he was indulging in new relationships without maintaining his current relationship.

    Recently, we all started falling for this one new girl, and it turns out that she and Boy would spring into a New Relationship. This made Girl very nervous, especially since Boy had a hard time not feeling guilty about spending so much time in New Relationship.

    Here's what happened.

    Girl got angry about being neglected by Boy.
    Boy felt bad about spending time with New Girl.
    Boy got angry about being made to feel worse about spending time with New Girl.
    Girl got angry about being accused of acting jealous.
    Arguing all the time made Boy want to hang out less with Girl.
    I drink a lot of beer.
    Wash Rinse Repeat until finally they say "Fuck it, we are housemates now." I drink a lot more beer.

    Now, I'm not intending to make any implications that your own boy is intending to leave you. But you can do a good job of keeping your existing relationship alive - once his "starstruck" period starts to cool down, which it will - by giving him lots and lots of space. This will remind him, eventually, that he doesn't need to feel guilty for falling in love. While you'll have to exercise some extra patience in the meantime, the payoff is much better than trying to make subtle demands on his time before he's ready to pull on the reins.

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